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Re: Aurora Kit No. 121: 1/48 Boeing P-12E

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:53 pm
by BlackSheep214
Very nice choice, Bruce. Reminds me of the old Monogram Goshawk F11C-2 I did as a kid. Now ya got me wanting to find that F11C-2 kit. :giggles:

Re: Aurora Kit No. 121: 1/48 Boeing P-12E

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:28 pm
by speedgraflex
BlackSheep214 wrote:Very nice choice, Bruce. Reminds me of the old Monogram Goshawk F11C-2 I did as a kid. Now ya got me wanting to find that F11C-2 kit. :giggles:
Thanks, Tom! Good luck finding the kit, if you do decide to build it again. All the best. More online research:

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Profiles cover illustration by R. Ward (I think)

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Re: Aurora Kit No. 121: 1/48 Boeing P-12E

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:15 pm
by Stuart
I was never overly keen on the P-12 Bruce, but seeing all of your research pics has made it grow on me - that's actually a really smart looking biplane.

Looking forward to seeing how you get on with it.

Re: Aurora Kit No. 121: 1/48 Boeing P-12E

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:56 pm
by speedgraflex
Stuart wrote:Looking forward to seeing how you get on with it.
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Always a pleasure, Stuart. I am looking forward to your progress as well! Here are a few more images of the P-12. Since I am using the Classic Airframe decals, I suppose my subject will be aircraft 7 of the 26 PG in Panama, 1931 or 1932. I did a fifteen minute online search and got bupkis. Anyone out there know more?

Classic Airframes box art

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Re: Aurora Kit No. 121: 1/48 Boeing P-12E

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:04 am
by Stikpusher
What info are you looking for on your project Bruce? The unit history at the time? Without an aircraft serial number it’s hard to pin down an airframe history, as the plane in group number can change. Not to mention the unit assignment of the airframe over time.

Re: Aurora Kit No. 121: 1/48 Boeing P-12E

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:57 pm
by speedgraflex
Thanks, Carlos! I checked with the Army Air Corps Museum. They use a book I found online called “Air Force Combat Units of WWII,” as a data source. I am still fact checking what I posted below.

19th Composite Wing / 16th Fighter Group

The base of the 19th Composite Wing to which this a/c was assigned activated December 1, 1932. The squadron insignia was four lightning flashes bendwise above the Latin words for “We Clear the Skies” (Purgamus Coleum). Activated in the Panama Canal Zone, Albrook Field.

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Served as a part of the defense force for the canal. Used various types of aircraft, including P-12's, P-26's, P-36's, and P-39's, prior to World War II; equipped with P-40's in 1941. Redesignated 16th Pursuit Group (Interceptor) in 1939, and 16th Fighter Group in 1942. Disbanded in the Canal Zone on November 1, 1943.

Squadrons. 24th: 1932-1943. 29th: 1933-1943. 43d: 1940-1943. 44th: 1938-1939. 74th: 1934-1938. 78th: 1932-1937.

Stations. Albrook Field, CZ, 1 Dec 1932-1 Nov 1943.

On October 15, 1932, following improvements to the drainage system on the field, the 78th Pursuit squadron deployed to Albrook from France Field with their P-12 biplanes. At this point, flying operations picked up, and tactical exercises took over from the aerial target duties that had dominated previously. Subsequently, the 78th was split into two squadrons, the 74th and 78th Pursuit Squadrons, which were augmented by the 44th Observation Squadron. These three squadrons at Albrook joined others at France Field to form the 19th Composite Wing, which comprised the entire Army Air Corps contingent in Panama.

Re: Aurora Kit No. 121: 1/48 Boeing P-12E

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:36 pm
by speedgraflex
I am gathering the paints and knowledge about the colors used. Carlos was extremely helpful. He told me that the fuselage green color was “Olive Drab 22,” a “more brownish shade” than the World War II colors. Now I have to translate that to Testors bottle color. The other issue I have is whether I shoot a layer of primer on the pilot figure before painting. I’m not sure how that would be handled by someone painting the figure 70 years ago.

Re: Aurora Kit No. 121: 1/48 Boeing P-12E

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:29 pm
by BlackSheep214
Bruce, the perfect color I used is Aeromaster's Finland I.D. Yellow FS 23538. Since Aeromaster is no more, Chrome yellow (FS 13538) or even Insignia Yellow (FS 33538) might work for you. What is the yellow Federal Standard # call out on the instruction guide?

Re: Aurora Kit No. 121: 1/48 Boeing P-12E

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:43 pm
by keavdog
Great subject! I've always liked the between the wars biplanes but never built one. This will be inspiring

Re: Aurora Kit No. 121: 1/48 Boeing P-12E

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:14 pm
by Stikpusher
speedgraflex wrote:I am gathering the paints and knowledge about the colors used. Carlos was extremely helpful. He told me that the fuselage green color was “Olive Drab 22,” a “more brownish shade” than the World War II colors. Now I have to translate that to Testors bottle color.
I’d suggest using their Olive Drab and mixing in some brown, either flat military brown or flat dark brown.
speedgraflex wrote: The other issue I have is whether I shoot a layer of primer on the pilot figure before painting. I’m not sure how that would be handled by someone painting the figure 70 years ago.
For the pilot I’d suggest using the Testors 1/4 oz square bottle range mixing colors to paint what is needed using a good old fashioned brush. No need to prime. Those enamels go on just fine on their own.