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Re: Kommander Adolf Galland III./JG 26 Battle Of France

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:31 pm
by Stikpusher
jkim wrote:The vagaries of interpretation.... that's the beauty and the curse of Luftwaffe camo schemes. It gets even muddier as the war progresses and the war machine in Germany goes on the defensive. I'll usually defer to photos, if available, and then interpretations from a (hopefully) known/respected authority. Kit instructions would be lower on that list. If that last photo you posted is the plane that you are modeling, I would try to follow that example... camo separation along the bottom edge of the canopy on the nose but slightly above that on the rear fuse and also the placement of the fuselage cross. However, if I found that photo late in the game, I'd just try and get it as close as I could.
:P1:

I’d just add that the fuselage cross size is the more noticible difference.

Re: Kommander Adolf Galland III./JG 26 Battle Of France

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:37 pm
by jkim
The red demarcation lines on the wing CAN be painted but maybe tricky if they are dashed. I've never done it but I was thinking you could mask the lines with tape and then put tiny blobs of white glue or liquid mask at regular intervals to dash the line. In theory, the glue should lift off with the tape. Are the Tamiya decals for the lines not behaving? Do you think you might have some spare red line decals on your Eduard sheet? I could check my decal stash to see if I have any that would work better than Tamiya like Eduard or EagleCals.

Re: Kommander Adolf Galland III./JG 26 Battle Of France

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:50 pm
by KennyX
John,

They’re solid, which is good. And I have Tamiya decals for that (which misbehave and silver), and I have Eduard decals for those too (which are thinner and even fussier, and also silver).

I hate working with those stupid decals more than I hate painting canopies.

As to the vagaries of interpretation, wait till you see what I’m doing with my corsair. There’s only one extant photo of my subject, and no reliable way to tell what camo scheme was used on it. Consensus is the standard sea gray and non-specular white and that’s what Roy @ Barracuda calls out, but even then there’s debate... it’s been poured over. I’m going with what Roy calls-out on that one, as I trust his research and that particular subject leaves way too much open for interpretation.

Re: Kommander Adolf Galland III./JG 26 Battle Of France

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:51 pm
by speedgraflex
I am going to go all in and write that the insignia are positioned correctly and there is significant overspray affecting the left side of the cross; not the man’s shadow, just look at the edge line.

:stirpot: :stirpot:

I have never used “stirpot” before! Check out Asisbiz’s photo at even higher magnification!

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Anyway, I am off to Home Depot to find rivets for counting!

P.S. It’s gooood, Ken. And discussion is gooood, too.

Re: Kommander Adolf Galland III./JG 26 Battle Of France

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:13 pm
by KennyX
HAHAHAAAA Bruce! Nicely played. :-D

Re: Kommander Adolf Galland III./JG 26 Battle Of France

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:50 am
by KennyX
Up early again, today.

Apparently I was talking in my sleep last night. Mrs. Kenny X informed me. She got up around midnight to check on Vance, as he was coughing real bad -we think he has Asthma and we’ve got a prescription for Singilair for him- so she went to hold him. She said when she came back to bed I was talking:

“I have to line up with the panel line. The panel lines. It has to be straight. NO! It isn’t supposed to look line that...”


That’s interesting :hmm:

Anyway, I was up early again, and decided to attack those red no-stepping delimiters. I looked over the decals and frankly, I don’t think I could mask and paint them properly @ 1:48. Not “In Production” on this model anyway. I’m going to practice on my paint mule and deploy this technique in the future once I’m confident with it.

So, I opted for decals instead. The Eduard decals. And I would like to amend what I said before. It isn’t as though Eduard’s “misbehave”. Rather, it’s that they’re so thin and come off the backing so easily, and seem almost to want to “position themselves” (I know how crazy that sounds), that it’s more like they’re “TOO OBEDIENT” in the sense that one stray brush stroke or touch and BOOM, the whole thing moves.

What I ended up doing was this:

1. Cut the backing and decal off the sheet

2. Dip it and hold it in water

3. Place the whole thing, decal, backing and all on the model where I wanted it

4. Using the smallest diameter brush I’ve got, very gently, very softly, very gingerly (I really cannot emphasize this enough), very mindfully brush the decal off the backing bit by bit

5. Once the decal is on the model, remove the backing from the model

6. Next, and this is key- breathe deeply and realize that, just like with the golf ball and the hole in the movie Happy Gilmore, the decal’s natural place to be is in its correct position on the wing. That’s it’s home. And the decal wants to be home.

7. After the Samyaksambodhi of the concept in Step 6 has been fully realized -and you don’t have much time so make it count- begin to carefully, gingerly, gently, cautiously, mindfully, brush the decal toward home, allowing it to “go home” of its own accord. Just brush it in the direction of its proper position, and it will -I swear to God- almost position it’s self of its own accord.

8. Trim the decal at the wing roots with a sharp hobby knife to get rid of the overlap, using the tip of the brush to gently, gingerly, carefully, mindfully keep that section of the decal positioned.

9. Carefully brush Micro Sol onto the decal, with that same small diameter brush

Here’s what I ended up with:

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No folds, no curves, no creases, no bubbles that I can tell.

What a relief.

After coffee, realizing I still had at least an hour and a half until the little ones wake up, I set about doing the small stencils:

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And that was that. Not a bad morning’s modeling. I put the numbers in the panel lines. I don’t know why I do, they’re so small. But I do. Unless there’s a decal in the way.

Alright! Back to work at the office. Lunch is almost over.

Re: Kommander Adolf Galland III./JG 26 Battle Of France

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:10 pm
by Duke Maddog
Wow, brilliant description on adding the decals. I had to laugh at your conversation in your sleep. Too bad she didn't record it so you could play it during hobby time! LOL!

Terrific work Kenny! Keep it coming!

Re: Kommander Adolf Galland III./JG 26 Battle Of France

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:17 pm
by jkim
Glad you got the NO WALK lines on the wing. Bird looks really nice with the decals in place. I would personally move the little number stencils off of the panel lines. At least for me, they call attention to themselves since they physically interrupt the panel lines.

Re: Kommander Adolf Galland III./JG 26 Battle Of France

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:48 pm
by KennyX
Yeah, it’s the film that’s doing it. They can be shifted.

Re: Kommander Adolf Galland III./JG 26 Battle Of France

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:14 pm
by speedgraflex
Dude—wow, talking in your sleep about panel lines bakes my noodle. It must be consolation that those crosses look a hell of a lot better, and that kick ass camo deserves Eduard’s finest. I really thought about contacting you because we go so full steam ahead into these things. I still am a little gunshy following that, but damn that looks better.

Cheers.