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Re: Revell H-291 by speedgraflex
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2026 8:24 pm
by BlackSheep214
That looks good. Yeah, putty would make a great cushion. Let it dry for a few minutes then score in some spot for creases in the seat. I forget what I once tried for the cushioning around the top of the seat.
Re: Revell H-291 by speedgraflex
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2026 10:36 pm
by Stikpusher
Funny that the plans for a wicker aircraft seat were classified secret.
Nowadays that stuff would be announced online by the company saying look how great our stuff is.
Re: Revell H-291 by speedgraflex
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2026 11:42 pm
by speedgraflex
BlackSheep214 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 17, 2026 8:24 pm
That looks good. Yeah, putty would make a great cushion. Let it dry for a few minutes then score in some spot for creases in the seat. I forget what I once tried for the cushioning around the top of the seat.
Thanks so much for following and giving that advice about the creases, Tom. I am just finishing up now. Thanks again.
Stikpusher wrote: ↑Sat Jan 17, 2026 10:36 pm
Funny that the plans for a wicker aircraft seat were classified secret.
Nowadays that stuff would be announced online by the company saying look how great our stuff is.
Truly, Carlos. There are no secrets anymore!
Re: Revell H-291 by speedgraflex
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2026 3:12 am
by BorgR3mc0
With regards to the colours. It is difficult to say based on black and white photos. It depends on the type of film used how certain colours appear in black and white. The comparisons you are making between known colours (PC10, the black and red tail) is the best way to go.
Here is some information by a Dutch modeller on the subject:
Black and white film types
orthochromatic film ('ortho') is the oldest black and white film. It represents red and orange as black, and makes blue appears lighter. Blue-eyed people have nearly white eyes in ortho photographs. Anecdote: since this film is not sensitive to red light, it can be processed in a red-lighted 'dark room', as you will still see in movies!
panchromatic film ('pan') was introduced in 1906 and slowly replaced ortho film. It represents all colors with a realistic gray value
complicating matters is the use of the color filters
Source:
https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/ ... colors.htm
Re: Revell H-291 by speedgraflex
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2026 2:26 pm
by Stikpusher
Yep, I took photography classes is school long ago using black and white films, dark rooms, color filters etc. I will disagree with some of your Dutch modeler's assessment regarding film types. Panchromatic films swapped the red darkness for blue darkness. Panchromatic films were also processed in red lit darkrooms. Both film types were available for purchase at stores. It was not any more realistic or less realistic than orthochromatic, just changed the values of blue vs red on the print.
Re: Revell H-291 by speedgraflex
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2026 3:36 pm
by speedgraflex
Thank you both for your responses! I’ve not delved as deeply as either of you into actual history, and that is now going to change. My experience rests entirely in black and white negative developing and printing; reversal film and color film were processed in a lab. I have some familiarity with glass plate negatives since my father was a Civil War buff. He also had a series of books on WWI which he sold to a collector to help finance his retirement. Those were very unique with hand tipped plates. I presume that the various “chrome” systems would be part of the photographic methods used to document that war. I’m grateful to you both. Again I must confess ignorance. I’ll need to learn more. My current quandary is whether to leave a red ring around the cowling. In the only photo I have facing the nose I see the red cap on the propeller and a red ring around the tip of the cowling.
The rest of the aircraft cockpit area including the wood looks dark and glossy, which has been interpreted as black. I’m going with brown overall and black on the tail fin as the background for the painted heart and red on the cowling and nose
The wings will be another issue! Barker’s Camel received new wings in March 1918 following a dead-stick landing accident, and was completely repainted in July 1918 when transferred to 139 Squadron. Wingnut Wings suggests either PC10 (greenish brown) or PC12 (reddish brown) for the wings. I’m not sure which to choose.
Re: Revell H-291 by speedgraflex
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2026 7:00 pm
by speedgraflex
Sopwith Camel B6285 by Lt Jarvis, 28th Sqn
As I continue to think through this issue of cowling’s color, I saw a photographic post on RFC Airmen with a dark brown Camel in bright sunlight. Is it me or does this also look like a lighter colored ring. Could this perhaps be an area of faded or discolored paint?
Re: Revell H-291 by speedgraflex
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2026 9:29 pm
by speedgraflex
Re: Revell H-291 by speedgraflex
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:43 am
by mostrich
It's getting comfy!
That seat itself is a piece of art. Very well done, bro.
Re: Revell H-291 by speedgraflex
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2026 8:13 am
by speedgraflex
i thank you most humbly, Torben. I’m grateful you’re following along and keeping our beloved forum strong and healthy. SPA Modeler has always been a place of soaring imaginations and startling craftsmanship! Long may it be so.
