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Re: 1/32 Hasegawa Fw190D-9 Black One

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:52 am
by Stikpusher
That is looking great. I find it interesting how the contrast is between the green uppers and the gray lowers and the amount of base prep showing thru. Yet both areas had the same background work done to them.

Re: 1/32 Hasegawa Fw190D-9 Black One

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:07 pm
by speedgraflex
Yes, I agree with Carlos! Looking great, John. The delicacy of the layers creates a softness to the variations of paint, these colors take on the loose patchy appearance of late Luftwaffe paint jobs. One area that ties strongly with my ideas for Red 1 stems from the power egg assemblies that were assembled and painted separately from fuselage elements. I feel Black 1 likewise has the proper appearance of an aircraft assembled by different subcontractors then assembled with variations of fit and finish.

Re: 1/32 Hasegawa Fw190D-9 Black One

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:51 pm
by jkim
Great observations from both of you, Carlos and Bruce. The pre-shade works differently for each overlaying color as you've noticed. Some of the effect is from the camera, which has a much more limited dynamic range than the human eye. I've not really experimented with different mottling colors but that might be something I'll play with in the future.

I love that "cobbled together" look of later Doras. I'm not sure if this applies to Dortenmann's Black 1. We have to keep in mind that his (210003) was literally the first Dora delivered to a service unit. And we also have to considered that it was repainted to 82/83 late in its career along with some modifications such as the retro-fitted bulged canopy which replaced the earlier flat-top canopy. So I am keeping this in mind as I go through the painting stage.

The hairspray chipping was performed on the wing roots. It's interesting to notice the different effects achieved on the two sides. I prefer how the starboard side turned out as opposed to the two-layer chipping on the port side. Not to self: the low contrast between the silver and RLM 75 grey renders the two-layer approach all but useless. Given this observation, I have chosen NOT to try and represent any of the RLM 75 underneath the newer RLM 82. A note about the chipping... it looks a bit isolated since it is constrained to just the wing roots but I will "expand" the wear area outward using different techniques.
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The mottle pattern was applied using the photograph of Black 1 and the color profiles found on the EagleCal decal sheet and the Dora book, which are slightly different. I started the mottle just forward of the windscreen, concentrated it in the area along the cockpit and then died it off. The tail was given a light mottle pattern but this will be covered by the yellow tail.
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With the majority of the camo painting done, I've given the model a light coat of Alclad Aqua Gloss clear, which is my current favorite clear gloss. I want to protect the camo from scratching and also from the next masking step as I will be doing the yellow undercowling and tail and also the masks for the markings. Another coat of clear gloss will be applied prior to decal application.
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Re: 1/32 Hasegawa Fw190D-9 Black One

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:21 am
by speedgraflex
Thanks for clarifying, John. My research for the Dora indicated that fuselages were built in one place, wings in another since 1940, which is why I was thinking that all the Doras would reflect this approach.

Re: 1/32 Hasegawa Fw190D-9 Black One

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:07 am
by jkim
speedgraflex wrote:Thanks for clarifying, John. My research for the Dora indicated that fuselages were built in one place, wings in another since 1940, which is why I was thinking that all the Doras would reflect this approach.
You may very well be right, Bruce! But many earlier Doras did not appear to have the distinct power-egg mismatch that some later Doras exhibited. Maybe there was a bit more care to match the camo after assembly early in the production run? And since Dortenmann's Dora was repainted from 83/75 to 83/82, the "cobbled together" look may have been further reduced on Black 1, which is what I was trying to portray.

In contrast, on Yellow 11, I made some hard demarcations to show the power-egg mismatch, in addition to what appears to be a replacement engine cowling.
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Re: 1/32 Hasegawa Fw190D-9 Black One

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:10 am
by speedgraflex
I agree with you, John. This Dora was one of the first of its series, and you have done your research. Figuring out where and when she was assembled, under what circumstances, and what materials were used is part of your incredible job of modeling this craft. What I do know about FW manufacturing stems from a U.S. intelligence document that detailed the layout of the various factories in use and to what purpose, changes made in response to Allied bombing efforts (they even determined via interview how long it would take plants to sweep bomb debris to return to operation). The fuse for Black 1 was built in Cottbus, as you know, and her WN puts her right at the start of the series.

When I started checking out your Black 1, I thought this was going to be an incredible challenge to recreate its markings. There seems to be some dispute of the repaint, despite Dortenmann's own memoirs. How does Crandall address this?

Back to your beautiful Dora build: progress! Such a fantastic angle on the last work bench shot, John! Lovely. And the finished Dora, wow, again!

Also, a minor note, perhaps but here goes. I checked out Klaus Herold's version when you mentioned him in your prologue. I forgot precisely what I checked out, perhaps it was his version of the same subject. I thought, "yes, great, don't worry about joining those who make versions of this plane, John!"

I found his version last night and studied his work very intently. One element of note specifically addresses wing root paint flake: what appear to be Mr Herrold's use of scratches, scrapes and evidence of boots basically (so it seems to me) criss-crossing the upper surface. I like the contrast between the small pieces that have loosened and been pulled off in chunks as well as the thinner scratches. These are late night thoughts but I wanted to share them with you!

Re: 1/32 Hasegawa Fw190D-9 Black One

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:51 pm
by jkim
The question of whether Black 1's entire tail or just the rudder being yellow is discussed in Jerry Crandall's wonderful Dora book. He concludes that the tail is yellow based on a quote from Dortenmann. It didn't seem conclusive to me but I decided to go with the book's portrayal. The profile in Crandall's book of Black 1 depicts the yellow tail. The EagleCal decal sheet (which is coincidentally produced by Mr. Crandall as well) shows Black 1 with a yellow rudder only. I am assuming that the Dora book is more recent than the decal sheet. The book profile also shows some stenciling on the engine cowling that is absent from the EagleCal decal sheet, which I will have to source elsewhere. I have not seen any dispute of the 82/83 repaint.

Klaus Jerrold's Black 1 is indeed a beautiful piece of work. As is Chris Wauchop's rendition. There's also Black Dog's great build over at the ARC forums. The existence of the these superior builds made me hesitate on modeling this particular aircraft. These builds have achieved levels that I am incapable of matching. But I have to believe that I can put my own unique mark on Black 1 that will make this model stand on its own. One is the all-yellow tail! :lol: I am careful not to pay TOO MUCH attention to those other builds in order to preserve some individuality but in the end, the look is going to be very similar. You can't really stray too far away from the framework of a 83/82 scheme on a Hasegawa 190D-9 kit.

Your comments about Jerrold's chipping rendition has me thinking about different things but I can't seem to verbalize them right now!

Re: 1/32 Hasegawa Fw190D-9 Black One

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:05 pm
by speedgraflex
This quote?

"In order that my pilots always know where their boss is I order that my aircraft's tail is painted bright yellow. That is very colorful and can be seen for a great distance. I do not care if the Americans and British will take mine to be a leaders aircraft; I have my pride, too. With my little yellow tail everything works out fine. I do not have to scream my head off when the novices fly after the wrong aircraft during a diving attack and they save themselves a dressing down after they land."

Dortenmann's diary, October 20, 1944

Re: 1/32 Hasegawa Fw190D-9 Black One

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:16 pm
by jkim
Not that quote specifically but similar. Volume 1 of the Dora gives three descriptions of Dortenmann's mount (W.Nr. 210003) in three incarnations: Red 1 of 12./JG54, Black 1 of 14./JG26 and Yellow 1 of 3./JG26. Each entry is comprised of one page of descriptive text and one page with a full color profile painted by Tom Tullis. Each of the three entries contains quotes from Dortenmann that support Crandall's conclusion that the tailplane and not just the rudder was painted yellow.

Red 1
"I paint my whole tail plane a bright Yellow." September 20, 1944

Black 1
"... my favorite No. 1 stands there expectingly, Yellow tail glistening..." (just the rudder being Yellow would not match his description)
"... the rest of the unit have made out my Yellow tail and follow me..." March 19, 1945
"... the whole Gruppe following Yellow tail in order to attack Viermots on their return leg..." March 28, 1945

Yellow 1
"A last look at the Yellow tail, so well known and maybe even a little feared by the others." May 5, 1945

A little more work on Black 1 accomplished this evening after work. Since I have Jerry Crandall's great Dora book in front of me, I shall give some history behind Black 1 in Mr. Crandall's words:

"On 25 February 1945, when III./JG54 became IV./JG26, Hans Dortenmann would lead 14./JG26 (Black tactical numbers with White outlines) with his D-9 W. Nr. 210003. At that time, it would undergo major changes - a new blown canopy type 8-190.1025 would be retrofitted; the uppersurface camouflage was converted from 75 Gray-Violet to RLM 82 Bright Green resulting in a new combination of 82/83 Dark Green. Axel Urbanke, historian of III./JG54 has arrived at the same conclusion. The JG26 Black and White recognition bands were applied at this time on their D-9s. Each of the photos and recovered aircraft reveal these dimensions were not consistent and in most cases not always parallel. Over these sprayed bands, the old III. Gruppe welle (wave) markings were chosen for IV. Gruppe."

The black and white recognition bands are masked and painted at this time. Non-identical stripe widths per the color profile.
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The pre-cut masks for the Werk Number and swastika are put into place. Before I mask the tail off, I spray a few coats of hairspray.
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We'll let that dry thoroughly before masking.

Re: 1/32 Hasegawa Fw190D-9 Black One

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:50 pm
by Stikpusher
Now this is the stuff I love. The level of research you are putting into this project to get all the details of appearance historically accurate is excellent. That is the sort of thing that can be inspirational.