Stikpusher wrote:That Eduard set should bump this up a level or two... but man I bet that some of those pieces are teeny tiny!
Carlos, You definitely are right about the size. The sheet shipped today. I wager the entire Photoetch sheet will be about the size of a credit card. I set some primary goals—to build the platform for the pilot seat, then add the etch to the kit’s plastic instrument panel, then maaaybe think about adding the instrument panels on his side. Maaaybe. I do think I have enough styrene to create hard forms to bend the etched sheet over. The plastic card will be thin enough to confirm to curvilinear inner wall. Does any of that make any sense? So. Basically I think I will cut plastic card to the size of the photo etch instrumentation panels, glue the plastic in place then form the etch over the plastic.
The IP
Pilot control panels—the wiring from the IP is on the right, I think? This could be useful to support structures the way Marius dies so well. Apologies for the reflection!
I am also wondering what the RLM interior color was—early research left me completely at a loss!
What the Eduard PE looks like c/o “Luftdad” on eBay.
speedgraflex wrote:
I am also wondering what the RLM interior color was—early research left me completely at a loss!
I would bet my cash on RLM-02 ..
I tried to google around and found only few Finnish discussionboards where this topic was handled.
RLM-02 was more or a less the advice for the cockpit color.
- Kari
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On the bench:
MiniArt 1:48 - Junkers F13 Float Plane
The interior most likely will be one of or possibly both of RLM 02 and/or RLM 66.
"Surely I have made my meaning plain? I intend to avenge myself upon you, Admiral. I have deprived your ship of power, and when I swing 'round, I intend to deprive you of your life."
Stikpusher wrote:The interior most likely will be one of or possibly both of RLM 02 and/or RLM 66.
Indeed, true! RLM-66 is also an option...
Late Luftwaffe planes had RLM 66, but when did "late" begin ? In the end of 1941 or ??
DN-51 was originally BC + NE, werk nummer 3233. Flew to FInland as earlier mentioned on the 5th of January 1942.
Then Luftwaffe had flewn it almost 92 hrs.
I don't know if it is possible, via internet, try to track Luftwaffe planes based on the "werk nummer", when they were made ?
Regarding FAF DO-17, they kept their original cockpit color, so that was not changed during the "make over" to FAF camo
- Kari
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On the bench:
MiniArt 1:48 - Junkers F13 Float Plane
... and Kari already researched where DN-51 was factory finished while I was rambling.
Still from 16mm color film—DN colors (exterior not interior colors, so forgive me being off topic and the wrong plane type but it is the first color footage found to date):
Re earlier post replies from Carlos and Kari!
Thank you both! I am on lunch break and trying to handle caloric intake and Luftwaffe cockpit research... and to an extant be discrete about both things!
“Although we all use the term ‘RLM’ to prefix Luftwaffe colors it should be noted that in period documents the only color designated in this manner was RLM 02, the rest were prefixed ‘Farbton’ (shade-tone-hue) of color.”
The Dornier Do 17Z : A Technical Guide
Richard A. Franks
Valiant Wings Publishing 2015
The reason I whipped that out and stuck it here is because I found someone’s color research online with color instructions for the Dornier Do 17 (maybe an E version) staying the supposed factory finish was Farbton 40. I think that is grey (silver). I wanna note that I am using my memory which is never reliable without backing up the rather bold claim that “we have all been painting cockpits the wrong color,” but as I stir my soup I stir the pot... I am going to try searching for the posts now.
Double whammy note: I remember some sage advice to not take model building so seriously, and I really try to follow that wisdom... most of the time, at any rate.
Reichsluftministrium regulations state that prior to November 1941, cockpits/crew areas were to be RLM Green-Gray 02, with the exception of instrument panels which were Gray with black instrument faces.
After November 1941, all cockpit/crew areas visible through the glazing (windows) were to be RLM Black-Gray 66. Instrument panels remained as previously stated. Fuel lines were yellow, oil lines were brown, coolant lines were green, oxygen lines were blue and fire extinguisher lines were red. However, as with any military regulation, variations of implementation and interpretation were often seen. The following is a general guide of specific aircraft by type.
Wheel Wells and Engine Compartments :
Regulations for these interior areas were standardized, and not a lot of variation existed, except for late war fighter aircraft. This variance in the latter stage of the war was caused by a number of factors. One was due to the allied strategic bombing campaign, which caused production of aircraft to be decentralized, leading to differences depending on the subcontractor of the specific components. Another was the urgent need for fighters, and the haste with which they were produced, which caused some relaxation of compliance with official regulations in order to speed up production. Another consideration was the remanufacturing of aircraft, in which case whole assemblies were repainted at the same time. Where variations are documented, they will appear listing the type of aircraft they were seen on. As always, this is a general guide, and your best verification will be your own reference material.
Fuselage :
Prior to fall 1942, aircraft fuselage areas (with the exception of the cockpit) were finished in RLM 02. After fall 1942, they were left unpainted. The Alcad used for aircraft skinning material had electroplated finish to prevent corrosion, which gave it a golden sheen, similar to that on the interior of soup cans. Aluminum and other alloy areas were still given a coat of RLM 02 to prevent corrosion. However, galvanized steel was left unpainted. Equipment such as radios, fuel tanks, oxygen bottles, etc. were in the color applied by the manufacturer. Radios were usually black or gray. Fuel tanks were usually black or gray. Oxygen bottles were usually overall blue, or painted with blue stripping.
Wing :
As with the fuselage, prior to fall 1942, wing areas were finished in RLM 02. After fall 1942, with the exception of the wheel wells and flap areas, they were left unpainted. . Gun bay areas generally retained their RLM 02 paint. They exhibited the golden color of the Alcad skinning material. Aluminum and other alloy areas were still given a coat of RLM 02 to prevent corrosion. However, galvanized steel was left unpainted. Equipment such as guns, fuel tanks, oxygen bottles, etc. were in the color applied by the manufacturer. Guns were usually black or gray. Fuel tanks were usually black or gray. Oxygen bottles were usually overall blue, or painted with blue stripping.
Exceptions :
Repaired areas were usually painted with whatever paint stocks were available, or left unpainted. Gun bays on late war aircraft were sometimes seen in natural metal.
Flap Areas :
For aircraft with split or Fowler type flaps, the flap `well' and interior of the flap was painted with RLM 02. This is also true of the radiator flap and cowl flap areas.
Exceptions :
Bf-109B/C/D/E's usually had the underwing radiator area painted the same color as the fuselage underside. Some late war Fw-190's exhibited natural metal flap areas.
